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Priming protocols-what with and who for?

I am going to address a very debated topic and one of huge interest for those who carry the tags DOR or POF and need ovarian stimulation for assisted reproduction.

The way IVF works, we all know the more eggs we make, the better it is. And this because in vitro fertilisation is all about narrowing down the chances to finding the best egg(s). It is a matter of logic because more eggs retrieved will give us more fertilised eggs, hence higher chances of pregnancy. Also, women who respond better to stimulation protocols usually have a better egg quality (PCOS do not enter in this category of better egg quality, we will discuss this later on). Last but not least, “the more eggs the merrier” principle has also financial connotations. With prices so high for stimulation meds, monitoring, retrieval and laboratory, you’re far better off paying thousands and thousands for ten eggs than for one.

While women over 35 and those under 35 but dealing with POF and DOR might be worse responders than the fertile population generally is, lots of protocols have been invented and experienced over the years, some of them with great results and quite encouraging pregnancy rates. One of the approaches is that of using luteal phase adjuvants, hoping to create a better environment for the follicles and preparing the ovaries for the following stimulation cycle.

BIRTH CONTROL – By far the most used approach before a medicated cycle. Its main purpose is to give your ovaries a rest, and give them the chance to start the next cycle with a clean slate. Useful for reducing cysts, it also comes, unfortunately, with a bad side effect: the dreaded suppression. BC pretreatment in IVF protocols establishes an estrogenic environment and increases sex hormone-binding globulin levels while decreasing follicular androgen levels. But by putting the ovaries to sleep the risk is they might not wake up well enough… Sometimes, we end up with a lower antral follicle number, and we are facing the need of stimulating for a longer period of time, and with higher doses of stims, which might in turn, affect egg quality for older patients.

Here is a very interesting study, where  even young egg donors have experienced lower AMH levels and lower numbers of oocytes after being put on birth control.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3637242/

If in the case of a young donor, having  5 eggs retrieved  instead of 10 might not make much of a difference, because donors are chosen to be young and healthy, therefore having a great egg quality, things are quite different with us, older women, where quality as well as quantity might be a problem.

TESTOSTERONE PRIMING- Relatively new,  and controversial. If you listen to Dr Sher, a very famous and respected Reproduction Endocrinologist, you should run away from testosterone exposure, especially if you are not very young anymore. If you listen to me, LOL, my biggest failure of a cycle was the one I primed with testosterone gel. While I usually would have an antral follicle count of 9-10, one week of testosterone gel reduced my AFC to a whopping 2 (two), and thats what I got until the end of stims, when I told my RE there is no way I am going to waste an IVF cycle on two eggs, and converted to IUI. Even he himself later admitted that testosterone priming was a mistake in my case (I was 41 at the time, this might have been a reason) and he is known to be a very stubborn and proud one…And it was no coincidence: all the other cycles I ever did (and we are talking 12 with full protocol, my afc was never under 8)

This being said, there are many studies out there who scientifically prove testosterone priming works for many low responders. If you read this analysis of several studies (https://http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4061182/) you will see the mean age of the patients was 36-37, so there….probably that’s the key, being younger is better for testosterone priming. I personally guess there is no way of knowing until you try.

Oh, and most important: I grew no beard during the treatment, neither did I engage in violent exchanges with people in pubs 😛

ESTROGEN PRIMING– It avoids the suppressive effect of BCP on the ovaries. In addition, the use of estrogen during the pretreatment cycle prevents premature recruitment of follicles that can reduce the number of follicles available for stimulation. Studies have shown that this protocol allows more gradual and coordinated growth of follicles resulting in improvement of embryo quality and quantity. For me this has been the only way I could avoid the growth of the horrible LEAD follicle, the scarecrow of IVF…I personally took estrace pills, but patches are used with the same success.

You might want to read this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22160464/ and also this analysis of several studies https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23887073

I believe it is essential to have a doctor you really trust. I, for one, could not trust any doctor who insults my intelligence by imagining that in this age and time I have no ways of gathering enough information as to educate myself on matters concerning my health and my life. Would this auto-education give me a medical degree? Obviously not! And I do not pretend it does. What it does give me, is at least basic knowledge, so useful in understanding where I stand, and if the direction I am heading to is the good one. It gave me the power of standing up and saying NO, when I knew for a fact that the approach I was suggested would be wrong for me (I wish I knew what I know now, when I was suggested the testosterone priming…) It gave me the power to fight me RE for the estrogen priming protocol, that as an anecdote he himself invented, but not so much used afterwards, for fear of oversupression. I fought him and he gave in, and later admitted I was right. It also gave me the power to say NO to him for yet another high dose stimulation protocol, and when he wouldn’t give in and would insist low dose is “counterproductive” for low responders (sic!) I would say bye to him, and find another RE who was willing to try on me my estrogen priming low dose protocol. And we got 8 eggs, instead of my usual 2-3.

I don’t know if it is my journalistic background, or maybe just me being a stubborn Aries, but I am a strong believer in the “Knowledge is power” part, as much as it might sound  like a cliche.

Apparently you believe so too, or else you wouldn’t be here, trying to find out more ❤

Sources: NCBI

 

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6 thoughts on “Priming protocols-what with and who for?”

  1. Love this so much!! I really think a big part of the reason I was unsuccessful with my only IVF attempt so far is because I was on birth control before and then only had one lead follicle with a couple tailing behind.

    And that doctor got mad at me when I brought up birth control at our follow up appointment after doing my own research. We found a new doctor since then.

    Maybe I will find the courage to try again one day… maybe

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  2. I wrote a long response and it disappeared. Sigh.

    I love this post! I researched different protocols after my IVF was a bust, one lead follicle. We switched to IUI.

    When we brought up different protocols to the doctor she got very upset. And said it had nothing to do with the birth control it was my bodys fault. We have a new doctor now.

    Maybe I’ll have the courage to try IVF again one day. Right now we are just doing IUI and experimenting with different drug combinations.

    I’m really loving your blog! Wishing you all the best.

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    1. Thank you for your comment and nice words
      I think we were all in the same place at first: now knowing anything, trustin doctors, some being lucky, some less lucky
      Some having amazing doctors, some not so much
      I think the most important thing is to know where you stand
      And if you ever decide to try again one day, at least you will have knowledge
      And the wisdom to pick a doctor who doesn’t insult your intelligence by not accepting to discuss protocols with you. That’s outrageous! And it happens often!
      Your body, your money, your time
      Business is business for both business partners 😉

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    2. So sorry to hear your doctor treated you that way! My first RE (who appeased me with unmonitored clomid and no ovulation monitoring information) booted me for less than desirable numbers. Go figure. But to add insult to injury, a couple comments they made have weighed on me heavily during this journey (“Your eggs are old.”) . It isn’t right, and it certainly isn’t any kind of “medicine” or “treatment” that I want to participate in! Good luck to you! Sending good mojo and sticky baby dust!

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